I have a good friend who loves the idea of Eve, has played it and is intelligent enough to grasp the concepts of it and work within the structures it has in place. He see's Fleet fights on Youtube and reports of massive scams and schemes and he loves it. He's not alone, I have multiple friends who are like this. The one i am talking about in particular has Subbed a few times and every time after a month or 2 has come back with the same feedback: It takes too long to get into properly fitted ships.

I have quit every game I tried that had a pay to win mechanic. It is for lazy developers and even lazier players and completely takes away any sense of achievement from a game.

Because like PLEXing your account, the thing you are wanting to pay for does not appear out of nowhere

What I mean by this;

No one "plays for free" as the PLEX is payed for by someone

No one learns skills faster (with the exception of the extremely limited item) as the character on the bizairre (intentional) was trained at the same speed as everyone else.

If you are a lazyball and buy a character instead of training and learning, well thats your lookout, but SOMEONE trained that character, and went to the effort of doing it.

Consider the following example:

You can buy 1 month SP boost for 1 PLEX or some amount of currency between cost of PLEX and Gametime.
Lets say the boost causes a 50% increase in stats.

This person is then paying 2 PLEX or 2 Gametimes per month, for that one character, to skill it 50% faster.

SO WHAT

How is that a problem for anyone else?
We can continue skilling at the same rate, and at the same nominal cost, as we always have.

That some people would be doing this makes not one iota of difference to our game experience.

Furthermore, as to Bazaar, this guys toons will NEVER be more profitable than someone who grows their Bazaar toons conventionally. Why? Because he is expending 1 additional PLEX per month, to skill them, whereas someone who is not expending the PLEX, simply trains for longer, and sells the toon for a much greater profit, a month later.

It seriously makes no difference to anyone elses game experience, nor to the Bazaar.
Anyone who wants to boost their toons, will have to expend double the amount in PLEX/currency that a conventional player does.

I still don't get it... As a monthly paying customer where do i sign up for my free 700m from a plex sale? Oh wait no i have to PAY extra for that, how is that not the definition of pay-to-win?

Through the character bazaar isk = sp, therefore we already have a mechanism for paying to win with sp.

Is it such a stretch to allow this on someones personal account instead of having to buy someone elses?

To the second paragraph true and very fair, if plex and character bazaar weren't a thing i can't see sp boosts being a thing either.

ITT: Kneejerk reactionists who haven't thought it through.

Shame really. EVE was supposed to have an intelligent community.

Ok lets try this a different way;


Im chasing Salvos through NPC null


I know there is a gatecamp that he has just passed through and I cant follow in my current ship

There's an inty on sale in this system but gasp its minmatar and I cant fly those because I havent trained Min Frig 5


Oh wait *BAM* drops $120 in PLEX into PLEX4SP

In 30 secs I learn it and after him again

If CCP had thought like you did, they would have stopped development the very day EVE went live.
Afterall, everything since has just been a slippery slope away from that original product.

The same **** happens in life, people with more experience will all ways have an edge. Your friends bigger problem is not understanding that difference.

OK, so you promised to kill him on sight.
No threat, a promise.
And you need no backup.
Fair enough.

According to zkilllboard, again, you have exactly ONE kill in your career, against 9 losses, and that was when you were in RvB.
Once again, not exactly something that keeps people awake at night, unless you plan on going after him with an alt that has far more PvP experience.